In Which I Take A Big Risk

I copied this from a friends facebook. A guy commented on her link to this article. I am impressed with how he was able to verbalize this. Mostly because I'm just not that good with words in an argument.

It's okay if you don't agree. Just note if you get nasty I will delete your comment. My blog is not the place for that. If you want to disagree in comment I am very much okay with that. I feel that his argument has merit.

"I'm not quite sure what all the fuss is about Pres. Packer's comment. It didn't sound offensive to me. And yes, I have gay relatives and have gay friends. But do I support gay marriage? Absolutely not. And I am Democrat. Do I offend or ...want to exclude gays and lesbians? No. I accept them as people with a problem. Who need help, if they want it. But I also accept Pedophiles, murderers, schizos, borderlines, manic depressed, suicidal tendencies, and other people with mental/behavioral disorders whom I work with as people with problems/sicknesses that also need help. Does most of society? no. Most of them get treated like crap all the time. Mormons, Catholics, Jews, Lutherans, etc, all pitch in on the horrible christian crapfest. But you don't hear these populations viciously hunting down the leaders and/or members because of the way there are/were treated by them, or what they may have said or say about where their illnesses come from (which are all unknown, btw) and how they are to be treated--and believe me, most views on these things are pretty backwater and crude. Not up to date with modern mental health views and practices at all. So, the only problem with the homosexual community is this...YOU'RE NOT SPECIAL CASES. LOWER ALL THE DAMN NOISE YOU'RE MAKING. Society AS A WHOLE HAS NEVER LEARNED TO ACCEPT THOSE WITH PROBLEMS. EVER. And i doubt we ever will. Acceptance of your 'sexual preference tolerance' is soooo hella down the list on the "things society should probably fix" list. Racism, RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, mental/health disabilities acceptance/awareness are just a few things that might take precedence over that. And all this scapegoating and blaming gets old. If it's not the mormons fault because of something ONE MEMBER SAID, or even several stupid ignorant members who say bullcrap and way prejudiced and biased things about a lOT OF THINGS (ut county anyone??), it'll be someone else, or some other religious leader or group or whoever. It's always been this way. Get over it. Oh, and pinning suicides on these people or groups?? Everyone ALWAYS HAS A CHOICE when it comes to their life. You don't think the mentally ill (yeah, i've overkilled this example, but it's something close to my heart, what I study and where I work) have ever been driven by their families, societies, groups, to suicide??? Because of what they have?? YES. Duh. But do others in their situation see that as the only way out? NO. THEY COPE. THEY MANAGE. IT SUCKS BUT WHAT ELSE CAN ONE DO IN A CUTTHROAT WORLD?? Everyone has a choice, but not until you accept who you are or what you have, and then accept to get help (sometimes forcefully, but we're trying to save your life) as hard as it may be, then more power to you. If you choose to not and just give up and die then so be it. Harsh reality. Do I know what it must be/feel like to have these problems? no. How hard it must be to live with it, with all the social stigmas?? no.. But have I seen people overcome these obstacles. with my eyes. Yeah you're pissed that it's hard, mr. hardy. But seriously, be mad at the PEOPLE who have treated gays bad, and not generalize it to their religious organizations and their members, and don't assume that you can pinpoint the extent of the LDS church's or any other church's doctrine on gays by quoting one blasted book. That's horrible science, everyone knows you need more references than that. That goes as well to those other pitchfork wielding radical gay rights groups members. "..I'm tired of waiting." yeah, a lot of them/us are fool. There's a lot of humble, honest, hardworking gays out there, and I say, keep fighting to be treated nicely by society, and be assured that there's many other groups trying for the same thing. But not by blaming and horribly biased hateful and hate-inducing journalism. It's getting old.

 

Also, I really did think Brother Hardy did really well in his letter, expressing the way he feels, the frustrations with uncaring members/leaders (but i repeat, Pres. Packer didn't offend anyone, just defending the adam and eve old LDS chur...ch knowledge of man between marriage and woman. People don't HAVE to believe it, this comment got waaaay too overblown.) I was mainly pissed off at the other comments after the letter, the "yeah, you tell em!! Eff those mother effers" and also the youtube user rednecks and their "all mormons burn in hell and they're right up there with "terrorists" comments after a pres packer clip. overgeneralizing ignorants....some people just need a little morsel to take a huge bit and run with it. Why is it the loud and obnoxious radical gay groups have to be like this always? HEEEEEELLL, I should be pissed at all the religious intolerance at temple square during conference!! I'ma grab my torch and pitchfork....roast me some conference protesters. (but I really wouldn't, since these people are paid to be there and tell us not to practice our Constitutionally given rights so they can feed their families. At least I know I'm trying to be a good Christian by trying to understand ;) )"

 

Yes it is strong. He makes some good points though and that is what I liked.